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those dramatic face-to-face talks are going to play out. good afternoon. i'm wolf blitz, reporting from washington. president obama makes the case for his health care plan just five days before open enrollment begins for obama care. if you're one of the 48 million uninsured americans, you've got some decisions to make, starting october 1st. the cost of coverage under the new health care exchanges vary depending where you lib, the level of coverage and other factors. on this map the average costs are higher in dark blue states. say you live in ohio for a family of four making $50,000 a year you pay $282 a month for the midrange plan after tax credits. a single person making $25,000 a year would pay $110 for the lowest cost plan, once again, after tax credits.

president obama's touting the benefits of his health care reform law while taking on republicans who are threatening to defund it. at a speech in maryland at president said the affordable care act is here to stay. >> five days from now, five days from now, on october 1st, millions of americans who don't have health insurance because they've been priced out of the market or because they've denied access because of a preexisting condition, they will finally be able to buy quality, affordable health insurance. some have threatened a government shutdown if they can't shut down this law. others have actually threatened an economic shutdown by refusing to pay america's bills if they can't delay the law. that's not going to happen as long as i'm president.

>> the white house says president obama wanted to cut through all of the noise coming out of washington, speak directly to the american people about the health care law. is it too late to build support for obama care? let's bring in our senior white house correspondent, jim acosta. the president's fired up about this. open enrollment beginning in five days. why did the administration wait until now to really begin selling this new law? >> reporter: one thing we did hear from white house officials over the last several weeks, because they knew this date was comi coming, they had other things on their plate, syria was going on, iran was going, you didn't hear the president talking about health care reform and the coming deadline october 1st. last week in kansas city when he went after the republicans, talking about a government shutdown, and part of the white house strategy over the last few weeks is, as republicans have been going after obama care, threatening to shut down the

government or perhaps going to default in order to stop obama care, the white house has responded in kind by basically defending the law saying, this is what the law does and so forth. though the president, as you heard in maryland this morning, turned up the heat on republicans, accusing them of trying to blackmail him to try to shut down the government, to do anything to get in the way of obama care. and he said, one point during that speech, wolf, that they failed to stop this law every step of the way. and he says, in the end, he believes republicans and time will eventually like the bill and in some cases, perhaps take credit for it. he said that he thinked that some republicans down the road may claim they voted for it because he thinks this will be a success. but, wolf we need to point out the president also said at that event this morning there will be glitch as long the way, that was an indication that he knows and the administration knows that everything that is coming out in this law, these marketplaces that are opening up, that is not

always going to go smoothly. and one very important thing to point out is that, in just the last hour or so, there has been sort of the breaking news alert that came out of politico that part of the obama carolout, when it comes to exchanges, has been delayed. we've done some digging on this, we talked to the white house and an administration official said, no, no, this is not a delay. and what this reference, what this has to deal with, wolf, there are certain small businesses that were supposed to be able to go to the website, healthcare.gov october 1st and start signing up for coshage for their employees. the online portion of that is not going to happen on october 1st. the white house is now saying that is going to be november 1st and that those small businesses will be able to file a pdf application, they'll able to print a pdf application, fill it out, and then send it in, mail it in, fax it in, but they won't be able to do it online until november 1st.

technically, that is a bit of a dli or a glitch and it's one example of the small problems, maybe could be some big problems, that might be coming out of the law in the days to come. >> are they acknowledging that was a glitch? >> reporter: they're not, into. >> a mistake on their part they had all of this time to get it ready for fully operational october 1st, but now they're saying november 1st. how are they explaining that month delay? >> reporter: they're saying, and we asked specifically,s this a delay? and the quote was, from an administration official who did not want to be named, no, not a delay. the fact is, when you go to the white house website when you go to healthcare.gov and search when you can start applying for health care coverage through exchange, small businesses or individuals, all it ever says on the website is, october 1st. so the fact that some small businesses will not be able to apply for coverage for employees until november 1st, that is not, at least as far as we can see on

website, perhaps we need to do more clicking and find it, it might be buries somewhere, that doesn't start until november 1st. a small, minor glitch of a delay, not huge, at least not at this point, and the white house is well aware that everybody's watching. so these are the sorts of things that we'll be seeing in the days and weeks and months to come. >> supposed to start october 1st, that's the start of the new fiscal year, 2014 fiscal year starts october 1st. jim, you'll be digging on this as well. if you need help separating obama care fact from fiction, here what happens you should do. go to cnnmoney.com. what you pay for health care under the new plan. the affordable care act is at the center of a fight up on capitol hill over a possible government shutdown. as you heard, we're only four days away from the deadline, midnight monday. right now the senate's debating a house spending bill that keeps the government running but also strips funding from obama care,

something that's not expected to survive a final senate vote. >> when we send this legislation back to the house, republicans have got to put an end to the tea party temper tantrums and pass our bill without any gimmicks and without any games. and after we do that, i hope we can leave the tea party brinksmanship behind. >> i was here on christmas eve 2009 and voted against the obama care legislation on the final vote. since that period of time, we've had a plethora of votes and challenges and opportunities and i've remained consistent. i'm not going to all of a sudden at a debate change my consistency and vote to shut down the government and continue obama care. i want to be consistent with the way i voted. i want the senate to take up its responsibility. i want us to be sure we do not shut down the government for our people. i want to be sure everybody in the senate has their opportunity to cast their vote, both on the continuing resolution and on whether or not obama care stays

or whether obama care is defunded. that is the question before us. >> let's be clear, any attachment that either defunds or delays the affordable care act will be vetoed by the president. you can huff, you can puff for 21 hours but you cannot blow the affordable care act away. >> there's another deadline looming beyond the spending for the federal government, deadline that may be more important, it's the debt limit on october 17th. that's when the federal government won't be able to pay its bills any longer. both sides say they don't want a shutdown next week but the debt ceiling fight could potentially be even bigger. >> we're going to introduce a plan that ties important spending cuts and pro-growth reforms to a debt limit increase. the president says, i'm not going to negotiate. well, i'm sorry, but it just doesn't work that way.

>> the republican spending plan includes another attack on obama care, calling for a one-year delay in implementing parts of the health care law. let's bring in gloria borger watching all of this. let's start with the debt ceiling deadline october 17th, according to the treasury department. take a look at these bloomberg national poll numbers. 28% say the debt ceiling should be raised, no questions asked. but 61% say they need -- there needs to be spending cuts attached to than republicans say the president must negotiate. the president says no way. what has to happen here? even a bigger fight than the shutdown fight four day as way? >> i think -- i think there could be a larger fight with more economic implications even than the government shutdown fight. and i think, you know, wolf, this kind of a poll really emboldens republicans to say, you know what? this is the -- the debt ceiling

is where we need to have our real fight because the american public will be our on side and they understand that a majority of the american public does not want to shut down the government. you want to hopscotch to another fight? okay, let's do it over raising the debt ceiling. in theory, the american public says, you know what? you shouldn't raise the debt ceiling unless you can figure out a way to tighten your belt at the same time. these kinds of polls are the kinds of polls we saw a couple of years ago when we had this same fight in july, if i recall, a couple of years ago. and then the numbers gradually started changing because people realized what would happen with the full faith in credit of the united states being on the line. that could happen again this time. we don't know. but right now if you're watching all of these members of congress talking past each other, kind of if you're sitting out there, it makes you want to pull your hair out, wolf. i mean, most people would find a

way to sort of get together and figure out how to get over this hump. but right now i don't see -- i don't see how they're going to do it. >> even if they get over the hump of the government shutdown, if they don't have a government shutdown, the government said we will not negotiate on anything when it comes to the full faith and credit of the united states of america. i suspect though, between now and october 17th, there's going to have to be some give and take between the president and the republican leadership. >> right. >> if there's going to be a raising of the debt ceiling. >> so the republicans are trying to say the president is being unreasonable, how dare he say he will not negotiate on something that is this important. and the president, when you look at the -- when you look at shutting down the government, earlier today when he spoke, he essentially said that the republicans were blackmailing him on this question of shutting down the government over obama care. and so, you know, there is this sort of elephant here, which is

the president's health care reform plan, which has passed the congress, an election occurred, the president was re-elected, the president himself today said it's not perfect, there are glitches in it, and republicans have voted over 40 times to repeal it. now they're trying to kill it by taking away the money for it. the question is, exactly how -- what can republicans do in the end to slow down this train? they'd like to delay it for a year, if they can't kill it. the president will say, you cannot delay it for a year. but maybe there is a way to say, on certain areas where we do have these so-called glitches, maybe we can work something out. but that would be in a rational world and i'm not so sure that's the world we're living in right now. >> you may be right. gloria's got a terrific column on cnn.com on all of this as well. i recommend you read it. thank you. iran and the u.s. about to do something they haven't done

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in a few hours iran and the united states will make history at united nations in new york. for the first time since the 1979 iranian revolution the top diplomats, secretary of state john kerry, iranian foreign minister zarif, they will hold direct face-to-face talks in addition to being the highest level meeting in more than 30 years. it's also the first time the u.s. and iran will discuss tehran's offer to hold nuclear negotiations. this morning the iranian president rouhani addresses the issue of nuclear disarmament head on, calling on all nations to give up their weapons. >> translator: no nation should possess nuclear weapons. since there are no right hands for these wrong weapons, as you, mr. secretary-general, have

rightly put it. >> kayte walsh joining us from the united nations. relations as you know, nick, since 1979 when the iranians took american diplomats and held them hostage for 444 days. there hasn't been an exchange like this one that's about to happen around 4:00 p.m. eastern where you are so there's a lot going on, a lot of tension but a lot of potential positive movement at the same time. >> reporter: i think in many ways the fact that that meeting actually happened will be significant progress. of course there are hawks on either side judging suspicious about. particular idea. we heard from john kerry as he e-americaned from meeting the chinese foreign minister they need something serious. more moderate asking for peace, saying to "the washington post" they'd like a deal within three to six months. that's going to require a lot of

high-speed, heavyweight diplomatic lifting for it to come through. the question is, what will be the substance of this discussion, aside from that, though, as you point out, it's historic in that it is actually happening in this building behind me within the next five hours, wolf. >> there will be a camera allowed for any part of the meeting or will it be behind closed doors, meeting between the u.s., the four other permanent members of the u.n. security council, germany, and the iranians? >> reporter: we understand there will be televised coverage of when the p5 plus 1 arrive, and when the iranians join them, that too will be televised. we don't know whether we'll see them come together and shake hands oop think that es the point of the exercise, to show a diplomatic pr iic bridge betwee two countries something we haven't seen since 2001 since powell shook the hands of his iranian counterpart.

that wasn't a meeting. this could be the start of something new but a lot hanging on it. >> we'll see the body language, even a still photo of john kerry, mohammed zarif, if they're smiling, not smiling, indicative of what's going on. thanks for that nick paton walsh, doing excellent work at u.n. consumers are may get a $4 billion payout thanks to a new settlement to jpmorgan over mortgage fraud. we're about to explain. u raise . we tackled your shoulder pain. you make him rookie of the year. we took care of your cold symptoms. you take him on an adventure. tylenol® has been the number 1 doctor recommended brand of pain reliever for over 20 years. but for everything we do, we know you do so much more.

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an uptick on wall street, after five straight days of losses. markets have taken a hit as investors are worry over uncertainty in washington. the dow up 56 points, as you see. investors are assuming a last-minute deal will stop an october 1st government shutdown. there's also word today that jpmorgan is in talks to settle with the government over its mortgage probes for $11 billion. sources say the figure would include $7 billion in cash, $4 billion for consumers, though

the talks are ongoing right now. let's bring in alison kosik, joining us from the new york stock exchange. how much do we know about this proposal? what's involved? >> reporter: you have to look at jp morguen in a tight spot, it's got more than a dozen state and federal investigations hanging over it. so what this proposal does, it looks to tie up loose ends. in fact, ceo jamie dimon wants all of the investigations to be over in one fell swoop but they have to pay big to have that happen, possibly $11 billion. the settlement includes $7 billion in penalties and $4 billion that would go to consumer leaf of some kind. now the heat's been on jpmorgan for some time now. the u.s.' biggest bank bias sets under the microscope, accused of packaging and selling bad mortgage-backed securities. when the housing market crumbled those securities failed and became the cause of the crisis.

jamie dimon met with regulators today and the price tag of what the bank would owe could grow, $11 billion could grow. "wall street journal" says if it settles this part it's not out of the woods for possible criminal charges. >> a huge amount of money. give us perspective, how big of a hit would this be for jpmorgan? >> reporter: good point. it's a huge number, even for a company as big as jpmorgan. the bank posted earnings of $6.5 billion and the same amount in the quarter before. the penalty would wipe out almost six months of profits. but you also have to look at jpmorgan, it has a big balance sheet, it not in any real danger of taking a huge hit as a company. wolf? >> good perspective. thank you. a lot of claims and counterclaims flying now, back and forth over obama care, president obama says if you like your health care plan, your doctor, you can keep them. we'll put that statement to the test. a cnn fact check, that's coming up next.

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right now, huge amounts of issues at stake in washington, potentialle will a government shutdown as early as tuesday. the nation's debt ceiling need to be raised by objectober 17th. republicans trying to link to the defunding of obama care. the white house now beginning to build major support for obama care. and it's moving into higher gear as we just heard from the president a few hours ago. president touting the benefits of the law during a speech in maryland saying it will help the overall economy. open enrollment begins in five days, tuesday, october 1st. right now the country's inching closer at the same time to a federal government shutdown. the senate is debating a bill to keep the government running but it would not include funding for obama care. also right now, the secretary of

state john kerry is gearing up for his historic meeting with his iranian counterpart, they'll be discussing possible compromise on iran's nuclear program. this is the highest level exchange between two countries since late 1970s, when the iranians took americans hostage at the u.s. embassy in tehran for 444 days. it's been one of the center pieces of the obama care sales pitch, assuring people that they will be able to keep their own doctor, keep their own health care plan, as the new law goes into effect. let's bring in tom foreman now, checking the facts for us, tom what are you seeing? >> wolf, we've been looking at a lot of different claims about obama care, you're right, back when president obama was trying to get health care reform passed, one of the big worries he had to address was from families that were perfectly happy with the way things were, who didn't want change, at least not in their health plans. he made this claim -- you can keep your own doctor, he

made it over and over again, and he was emphatic about it. listen. >> first of all if you've got health insurance, you like your doctor, you like your plan, you can keep your doctor. you can keep your plan. nobody's talking about taking that away from you. >> reporter: the problem is, as obama care becomes a reality, it's not exactly playing out that way, even the department of health and human resources seems to be hedging on the president's claim, saying, quote, depending on the plan you choose and the marketplace, you may be able to keep your current doctor. so why this apparent waffling? because simply put, this is a seismic change in how health care is paid for and many, many big parts of the health care system are moving around. companies, big and small, trying to make sure they don't get stuck with unmanageable bills as the country tries to cover all folks who are uninsured. some of them are changing whom they cover, how much, and they may be changing health care

providers in the process, meaning your doctor may no longer be part of the equation. even the big unions that backed obama care are concerned their plans may be forced to change and they won't keep their doctors. in the end the problem with the president's claim, it was far too definitive. he insisted you will be able to keep your doctor. for a majority of people that may yet be true, but many others might be able to keep their doctors and that's a world of difference. wolf? >> the president also said, not only you can keep your doctor, that won't change, but if you like your health care plan, you can keep the same health insurance, you don't have to lose it that won't change either but that's not net list working out the way he envisioned. >> it's a seismic change. you're changing everything in this massive system. it's hard to imagine anything out there not changing some. for many people in the end, all they're going to care about is,

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and treatment for cervical cancer to the aids platform that's already established. >> meeting in new york, by the way, part of the bush institute's first ladies initiative. besides t u.n. meeting, new york has been buzzing with activity from the clinton global initiative. chelsea clinton sat down with our own piers morgan to talk about the competitive nature of the family. >> do you play ball games with your parents, like scramble, and if so, who wins? in we generally are card playing family. we do play some board games. >> which card game? >> oh, we play pinochle, spades, hearts. >> competitive. >> deeply competitive. >> who wins? >> it's a equal distribution. i think otherwise -- >> how would i know you say that? >> it's true. >> you all win 33% of the time. >> in cards, probably. in scramble, my mother's very good in scramble. in boggle, my father's probably better. >> your dad's a better boggler. >> probably the best boggler.

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in kenya, police are now on the lookout for a british-born woman who may be tied to the deadly massacre at the loxry mall in nairobi. they issued an alert for the woman called the white widow. brian todd is joining us now. who is this woman? what do authorities think is her link to this kenya mall attack? >> i'm going to answer the second question first. kenyan authorities and interpol are not specifically linking her to the attack. they're saying the red notice called for her to be picked up on possession of explosives and conspiracy to commit a felony. what they're saying is, they're hedging as to whether she was involved in the mall attack in kenya or not. on tuesday, a kenyan official

say they believed there was a woman involved in the attack, but the next day, another official said that they can't say much about who the woman was or what she might have been doing in the mall attack. so they're really hedging as to whether this woman was involved in the mall attack or not. what we can tell you is her name is samantha. she's 29 years old, born in england. she was married to a man named jermaine lindsay. he was one of the bombers who blew himself up in the 2005 london subway bombing attacks. and after that, she vanished and then reemerged in kenya with a cell that was linked to al shabaab. that's one of the reasons she may be linked to the attack in the mall in kenya. she's well known as the so-called white widow among jihadist circles. so a lot of interest in her, wolf, and this red notice has just gone out a couple hours ago. we'll have more about her later on in "the situation room."

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the long war in afghanistan supposedly winding down, but the u.s. and nato, the u.s. at least, has 60,000 troops on the ground in afghanistan right now. the withdrawal of all u.s. forces is supposed to take place by theent of next year. the ongoing war on terror still dominating, though, u.s./afghan relations. and joining us now, zalmai rassoul, the foreign minister of afghanistan. minister, thanks so much for joining us. >> my pleasure. >> yesterday, we heard president obama say at the united nations general assembly that the united states has achieved its mission of dismantling the core of al qaeda in afghanistan. is the core of al qaeda in afghanistan destroyed? >> absolutely. >> the taliban is still powerful in afghanistan. that has not been destroyed? >> taliban is not powerful enough in afghanistan, but it continues to disturb our security. one thing that we're focusing on now is the peace process to convince those in taliban to

come to the peace process, join afghanistan and stop fighting. >> there are still 60,000 u.s. troops and other nato troops in afghanistan. they're scheduled to stay there at least until the end of 2014. that's when u.s. troops are supposed to be out. is that schedule okay with you? >> absolutely. the schedule has been decided and there has been a meeting, a nato meeting, a summit meeting in lisbon. that's something they want, and at the same time, our security forces now are not as strong to take place. today in afghanistan, 95% of afghanistan is comfortable -- >> why do you need u.s. troops to stay until the end of 2014? why not let them all leave now? >> as i mentioned to you, the transition of the security has been fairly finished. the third face has started, we need not a sudden disruption of the security. by the time our security forces are fighting and replacing the

nato forces, we need their training and equipping the afghan security force. >> do you want an accelerated schedule or withdrawal as scheduled? >> withdrawal as scheduled. >> what about after 2014? do you want u.s. troops to remain in afghanistan? >> yes, we're in discuss with united states on a security agreement to which a number, a limited number of united states forces and also other nato forces would stay in afghanistan. >> how many? >> we don't know a number. >> give me an estimate? >> it's not up to afghanistan to decide. somewhere around 10,000. >> about 10,000 u.s. troops, u.s. and nato troops. would they have immunity from prosecution? >> we are discussing about this, with the security agreement. training, equipping, and advising the afghan security forces. >> would they be immune to that? >> we're discussing with the united states and we're hoping

to end up with a line. >> there are no u.s. troops in iraq now because the u.s. and iraq couldn't reach an agreement on immunity for the united states. how is the u.s./afghanistan relationship right now? >> solid. >> solid? >> yeah. >> foreign minister, thank you for joining us. good luck to you and all the people of afghanistan. >> thank you. >> i asked the foreign minister, by the way, if he might run for president. hamid karzai, his term is over with next year. he said he's not running again, can't run again. the foreign minister told me he would make up his mind by the deadline, october 7th, but a lot of people think this foreign minister will run to be the next president of afghanistan. we'll see what happens. by the way, as u.s. troops are on the ground now in afghanistan, 60,000 american troops. it's costing american taxpayers billions and billions of dollars. roughly about $2 billion a week to maintain that troop level between now and the end of 2014. the u.s. will probably spend at

least another $100 billion maintaining that troop level, withdrawing those troops from afghanistan, and if there's an arrangement worked out as you heard the foreign minister say, to keep another 10,000 troops in afghanistan beyond 2014, beyond the end of next year, billions more will be spent in afghanistan. and the question is, is that money being well spent? should the u.s. be spending $100 billion, let's say between now and the end of next year, on keeping that troop presence in afghanistan or take that $100 billion and spend it here in the united states? whether on education, infrastructure development, or even simply reducing the national debt? these are serious questions that a lot of national security people are asking right now because they wonder when all is said and done, will there really be a democracy, stability in afghanistan, despite this huge investment that u.s. taxpayers, the american people, have made in b